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KeyWallet

Joined: Jun 09, 2001
Posts: 2
From:
  Posted: 2001-06-15 03:24

Hey everybody!

A lot of people like the program, but there also people who does not trust KeyWallet. We are curious, why?
Tell us what we can improve in the security of KeyWallet.

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KeyWallet Team


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Anonymous
Unregistered User
  Posted: 2001-06-27 10:37

It's kind of tricky to build trust. What I looked at other web sites that offer similar programs (gator.com), they have a privacy policy truste certified.

Even though they are using my info and the program is in fact 'phoning home' to gator to tell them which web site I'm visiting and what product I'm shopping online, still;

  • some people don't know that and they just see the truste certificate.
  • even if I know what they're doing with my data, I know that their intention and what their business model is (and I belive them for following it).


So, talk on your site about security, answer the question that are on peoples mind. I like your product and so do other like it, so don't worry, trust will come with time!

All the best
B


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Lancer

Joined: Aug 05, 2001
Posts: 1
From:
  Posted: 2001-08-05 08:12

I would say there are three things people might be certain about in regard to "trust" and KeyWallet...

1. That, like other similar software, it could in fact be Spyware, sending info to the authors. People don't want to get tracked down by spammers just for downloading this program (no grounds for this though - just a fear that some might have because other similar programs have done this).
2. Fear that KeyWallet might lose their passwords once they rely on it. (it could happen if you reinstall Windows or have a bad crash - they should learn to regularly back up their datyabases).
3. Fear that someday this great program might not be free anymore

...all said and done, no real grounds for paranoia... a GREAT program - I was going through a lot of freeware sites trying to find anything close to this that wasn't spyware. Got it from NONAGS I ain't nagging - it's fantastic.

Thank you.


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Anonymous
Unregistered User
  Posted: 2001-08-08 03:53

I love KeyWallet. My best suggestion is that you get an internationally recognized third party verify your good intensions. This could be a major account and consulting firm like PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Trust, Verisign or other trust worthy organisation.

Maybe a review in a established security magazine. It is all about trust


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KnightWolfJK

Joined: Aug 09, 2001
Posts: 12
From: Colorado
  Posted: 2001-08-09 13:45

If I can make a suggestion, try having someone at the Steve Gibson Research Center (http://www.grc.com) take a look at the program. They have done a LOT to identify spyware, and blessings from them would go a long way.
Cheers,


[ This message was edited by: KnightWolfJK on 2001-08-10 16:08 ]


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BK

Joined: Nov 20, 2001
Posts: 7
From:
  Posted: 2001-11-20 14:26

Most of us out here can't un-compile a program to look under it's skirt to find out what it's doing. Wish I could...
I'm a EE, power supplies and battery chargers have been my game for 25years. So if I look at a schematic of a power supply, partlist and know the operating parameters I can tell you if and when it will fail and why. I can tell a bad design from a good design.... it's not a black box to me. But software.. another whole story.. I can't do with software what I can do with powersupplies and related electronics.

Software for me:
-- I know just enough to know that I don't know.--

So it's tough, and your right building trust takes time. It's even harder when your giving away a "black box"..
---you get what you pay for----
---everything has it's price---
---you dont get something for nothing---
---user (buyer) beware---

Plus the software industry has done a good job at putting software on the market at Ver 1.0 and making us all beta testers. I will not buy or install Ver 1.0 of anything, unless I'm being paid as a beta tester.

My other problem is, if your not charging.. and your not sell user profile info... how is KeyWallet making money??????

It's great of you to offer such a program.... and it keeps with the spirit of the web. Any website I've design/built or own has no popups or banner adds.. I wont do it. The site/business must stand on it's own. My sites are either coporate sites so they have their face on the web or hobbysites safe and free from popups, bad code and advertising.

But again... there's a really nice site here, nice message board with no popup adds (unlike whats happened to the free ones since click through $$$ have died), I see real support happening on your message board.. lots of real stuff here... so how are the people of KeyWallet feeding themselves or plan on paying back venturecaps? I see some banners on your site... I know click through rates bite now a days... and you only have a token spot at top., no push advertising.. ?? not selling the program... ?? so back to my question above...

So with all that said, I'm in no way trying to flame, but I'm just tossing in my honest $.02 since you asked...

I downloaded your program and
I've been crusing your site and message board trying to make up my mind. In the past I downloaded whisper and decided not to use it.

I see some good ideas above, something to look into.

Regards,
Bob


[ This message was edited by: BK on 2001-11-20 14:30 ]


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cool

Joined: Feb 18, 2001
Posts: 142
From: Germany
  Posted: 2001-11-21 05:16

Hi BK!

I will start answering your questions from the beta tester supposition. We wrote KeyWallet 2 years ago, but the version was not really ready. We finished it and here we go. Before we offered it to the market we gave this version to all our friends for testing. There were no real problems. The bugs or problems we encounter now are not a really massive bugs. They are more user wishes. So don't feel you as a beta tester.

This program was written by my friend and me. We thought it would be cool to make such a program. First we wanted to sell it but after Gator came out and many other form management tools we started to give it for free.

We did not take any venture capitals, so we don't have to return

There are several ways to make money. For example to sell branded KeyWallet to companies like Amazon.com or eBay.com. That their users identify themselfs with the company. But now is the wrong time for that. The market is really down. We have to wait a little. Now we placed a poll to make KW as donationware or shareware. Donationware would be better. We should wait how the people are going to vote in that poll.




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cathelest

Joined: Apr 25, 2002
Posts: 9
From: Australia
  Posted: 2002-04-30 09:52

Ok As Much As I love Keywallet I Think It Should Reamin Free. I Suggest You Place A Banner Or Make A Popup Come Up Or Something.

About Security, Many People Dont wanna Go Putting All There Eggs In 1 Basket, I dont blame them as its the smart and logical thing to do. The Only Way To Gain Trust Is To Mature, As The User Usage Grows So Will Trust, Gator Started Out Simalar But Gator Was Bundled In With Popular Software So You Had To Install It To Use The Other Program, (Kazaa For Instance) If You Are Conserned that there may be spy ware then youse ad-aware avalible at www.downloads.com, But be careful as using that program can harm your system (I had To Reinstall Windows After Deleting Spyware As Nothing Worked!)

People, Think, What Does Keywallet Stand To Gain? Nothing! Theyve Given Us A Great Little Program And Slowly Built A Name For Themselves.

Would The Keywallet Team Spend 2 Years Designing A Program That Is Intended To Steal Your Password?
I Dont Think So!

Cathelest
ozzi_ben10@hotmail.com



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Anonymous
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  Posted: 2002-04-30 11:29

Security sits on the 'CIA' tripod: Confidentiality, Integrity, Avaliability.

For confidentiality, unless you've found a way past ZoneAlarm, it isn't malware.

For integrity, the question is "will keep my passwords safe (without corrupting them). Experience says 'yes'.

Availability: will it crash when i need it, and are the backups in fact recoverable? My experience says no and yes - I had to recover from my backup file after a system crash.

Confidentiality might be addresses by co-branding with ZoneAlarm, which has an established record.

Integrity and Availability might be addressed with some user testimonials about it's stability, couple with a whitepaper about your testing.

regarding free/donation/share - donationware works. I _prefer_ to pay for good software, since then I have greater assurance that it will continue to be developed.





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Anonymous
Unregistered User
  Posted: 2002-09-11 06:53

I loved key wallet until I upgraded my OS, I now cannot access my (carefully) backed up password file! So security isn't an issue, coz even I can't access my passwords now, nor can I access my bank account, and various other vital services that I use daily. I trusted so much that I have destroyed all paper backups! So .... I don't have a problem with trust at all


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Anonymous
Unregistered User
  Posted: 2003-01-04 14:21

Here is an example of someone that we can trust ... you can download PGP freeware which is very comprehensive and totally trustworthy. Everyone can easily see the source of the code, etc.

PGP encrypts, signs, wipes disk... for passwords you merely encrypt an excel spreadsheet. That's it. Everything you need but not as convenient as keywallet ... however totally trusted.

Also, you can copy this encrypted spreadsheet to ram disk and carry it with you everywhere. I also keep a copy of the install for PGP on the same ram disk so I can always get in.

All that said, I really like the user interface on keywallet.

The issue holding me back (why I deinstalled after playing with it for an hour or so) is that your site really doesn't identify the critical corporate information. This was in my post elsewhere. The detailed questions about who You are. This is on all normal corporate websites ... look at all software companies ... it is easy to find this info and figure it out.

If I had that corporate information it might make a difference.


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MsE

Joined: Jan 18, 2003
Posts: 2
From:
  Posted: 2003-01-18 10:04

I haven't downloaded KeyWallet yet because I had gator and am kind of leary. True gator was easy to use and it did a great job of keeping my passwords but, as with most, I didn't like the pop-ups and spyware.
I think what I'm trying to say is, what would be a really good reason for me to download KeyWallet?


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MsE

Joined: Jan 18, 2003
Posts: 2
From:
  Posted: 2003-02-22 10:09

I'm beginning to wonder if anyone is monitoring this site. Not only has my question not received any feedback but on the main page, some links are not working.

So far, this has not been a good experience and I'm really thinking about my decision to download keywallet.


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Anonymous
Unregistered User
  Posted: 2005-06-08 13:05

I thought KW was great until I too had a problem with my password after reinstalling my OS. I have lost a significant amount of work and clearly this site is not monitored, so there is no help to be had.

Nice idea but this just proves that there is nothing for free in this world. I will in likelihood choose a reputable paid-for product in lieu.

A helpful answer from the authors is all it would take to give people confidence.


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Chorts

Joined: Feb 22, 2005
Posts: 2
From:
  Posted: 2005-07-19 09:15

I too am having password problems but after reading this board, I see that there is NO ONE responding to these problems. I cannot access keyword at all....PERIOD! everything is just inaccessible and i can't get an answer as to what to do to use this product any more. it was working fine...i went from using a pw to access to unchecking and when I went back to wanting to use a PW to access, wouldn't accept my old PW....said it was incorrect. I'm getting extremely frustrated with the lack of support from the people who are asking for feedback and bugs.


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zredhead

Joined: Jan 08, 2002
Posts: 4
From: Washington, DC metro area
  Posted: 2005-11-07 15:09

Then download another copy, then, hopefully you use the backup feature, and import your passwords & data. I did not use the password feature as I am the only person that uses this pc.


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Lone_Wolf

Joined: Jul 10, 2004
Posts: 17
From:
  Posted: 2006-02-28 00:22

For those having password problems:

My computer is on a domain at work by not when I get home. When I bring my computer home, I open up keywallet and it's blank. I have to import the storage.kwo file to get my data back, but it's really easy to do.

Then when I get back to work after using Keywallet on my home network, I get a message saying "Invalid Password." The way to fix that is to delete the storage.kwo file, replace it with a backup, and rename the backup you use to storage.kwo. Then it works just fine. I even created a batch file to do that for me so it's just a double click and I'm done.

I would much rather see keywallet run on my thumbdrive without having to be installed, but till that happens, my workaround works great.



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7seas

Joined: Aug 28, 2006
Posts: 1
From: UK
  Posted: 2006-08-28 17:30

Hi, I`m a newbie, and having read a few posts I`m begining to have second thoughts about KW. There seems to be a lot of people saying that they really don`t trust KW. And then there are people saying that it is OK

I think for the moment I`ll just be an observer and keep reading the reviews of other users
It is a good website though



[ This message was edited by: 7seas on 2006-08-28 17:31 ]


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